I would be interested to hear some analysis of her perspectives from people on this site who lean right of center.

I've never been a Republican, but I had been convinced they stood for certain principles, many of which appealed to me.

I watched them leave each and every principle exposed to die, like deformed infants left outside for wolves.

When you pointed this abandonment out to them, the most moderate response you got was "911 changed everything". Much more often you were attacked and ridiculed.

After freaking YEARS of this normal people get damned cynical and tired. George Bush was NOT God. Wars are NEVER easy. Most AMERICANS think torturers are bastards.

Deal with these things or just go away forever.

Bush gave up golf in consideration of American mothers who had lost children in Iraq.

Pretty god-damned silly on it's face. But now he's got to keep from golfing pretty much forever, because if he starts again it's the same as saying he thinks mothers have stopped grieving.

So, Bush is a shallow boor, an emotional midget, no matter what he does on this subject past this point.

If you can't understand how this sort of thing illustrates exactly how we got into the mess we're in, you need take a long sauna and then whip yourselves with birch branches.

"...people on this site who lean right of center" and "I had been convinced they stood for certain principles, many of which appealed to me" comes from reasonable posters. Conservatives are not. Republicans are not. They are deluded by either evangelist gurus or corporate dollars. If they're not, their entire way of looking at the world is "I got mine and let everyone else die." herm

Peggy Noonan used to have serious gaga eyes for Dubya.

Wha' happened?

"Peggy Noonan used to have serious gaga eyes for Dubya.

Wha' happened?"

His second term.

Noonan's right, as usual. The Repubs are in for a pounding in November.

IMO, it was when they abandoned their commitment to term limits that they lost their way. As soon as they got to Washington, they were determined to stay. Busted budgets, energy policy, Social Security (lack of) reform--too easy to play it safe and just roll into the next election. And if Americans want that, we can just elect Democrats. May as well get the real thing. And in November, America will.

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LOL. Modern "Conservatism" ruled for years. You voted for it again and again, and now you disavow it!

Chump!

No one hears the "...but..but..but...that's not what I intended when I voted for these guys again, and again and again"!

Um, what makes me a chump? I put my principles over the party. When they got to Washington, they changed their tune and governed like liberals. As a result, they deserve to lose.

We'll do better next time, hopefully. I'm unlike many of you on the left, who is glad to see the Congress in Dem hands, even though they've done nothing at all. Most lefties would re-elect libs to Congress in perpetuity, just to be able to say they control the place. For me, it's more practical. If you're not going to Washington to change it, stay home. At least the money is honest outside the beltway.

The Republicans somewhere in the late 1980's or early 1990's ceased to be a party of conservatives and became one of twisted corporatists. The nation to their way of thinking no longer consisted of citizens but rather of consumers. Principle and ideals were replaced by ideology and slogans masquerading as truth.
After all remember George W Bush is this county's first CEO President. I have worked with MBAs from some of this nations best businesses schools .over the years. In all honesty I have not been very impressed.

"...when they (GOP) abandoned their commitment to term limits that they lost their way."

Term limits ARE an insidious Repub plot to oust capable Demo legislators, but they're hardly why the Gay Old Party lost its way. It's not simple to explain in a few succinct words, but we could start with greed. If only compassionate conservatism really existed... herm

"For me, it's more practical. If you're not going to Washington to change it, stay home."

Interesting notion, Rightie. Perpetual change is a Democratic notion; I'm glad you're withus. Remember, if you forever oust incumbents, their replaciments become the incumbents. herm

I'll print this article out and now give you my 2 cents later.

Clearly the GOP will get thwomped this November, and clearly they will have earned it. (Ultra rIght wing idiots on this site notwithstanding.) The more interesting question in my mind has to with how that Party is going to reestablish it's conservative credentials in the aftermath of the election. They got a lot of work cut out for them. As always, I suspect it will be the mirror incompetence of the Dems which will lead to their renaissance.

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George Bush has put the party name in the gutter . . . that's a given.

If there are any true, old school GOP statesmen out there, they'll have to do a serious exorcism from their ranks before trust is restored.

My guess is that the neocons are already working on their Articles of Impeachment for Obama much like they were for Bill Clinton in 2000.

I only hope Obama is savy enough to see it coming.

After reading Noonan's rantings against the Left for many years, I don't take her new-found "revelations" as anything but stating the already-obvious.

Too little, too late.

The Republicans are going to get pounded in November. The Dems will have even bigger majorities in both houses and I'll be shocked if McCain can keep the White House.

Long-term, the Democrats have an opportunity to be the majority party for a decade or longer, but if they screw it up like the Gingrich crowd did, they'll be back on the outside quickly. Americans don't identify as strongly with party as they used to. They'll jump off the bandwagon and turn on the Dems like they are doing to the GOP today.

"Um, what makes me a chump? I put my principles over the party. When they got to Washington, they changed their tune and governed like liberals. As a result, they deserve to lose."

YEAH!

So on what year/day did you make this discovery!

When between 1994 and 2006 did you figure they were "acting like liberals"? And what did you do about it?

I suspect it wasn't until AFTER 2006 ---- when they got the boot did you start mouthin' excuses!

perpetuity Indeed!

Most lefties would re-elect libs to Congress in perpetuity, just to be able to say they control the place.

My word, I got a good laugh out of this.

Most leftie, too funny. And for the last few elections who have you voter for just to see your party in perpetuity, certainly was not the dems in control.

Maybe the repos will learn you say, so that means you are again voting for repos for perpetuitness sake.

Do you ever stop and think about what you post, sometimes your chumpness show full baboon assface with such a red glare.

Perpetual change is a Democratic notion; I'm glad you're withus.

Posted by herm at 2008-05-17 12:34 AM | Reply

Someone needs to let Robert "Sheets" Byrd and Ted "Gurgle" Kennedy, et al, in on the news that Democrats love perpetual change.

Most lefties would re-elect libs to Congress in perpetuity, just to be able to say they control the place.

That's bogus. Nobody votes just to say their team won. They want their agenda to be enacted by the Congress.

At least the money is honest outside the beltway.

That line was pretty funny too!