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A new US government report reveals that nearly 2,500 minors, being held in military custody in Iraq and Afghanistan by the United States, are not uniformly protected as mandated by United Nations protocol. Neither, contends the American Civil Liberties Union, are those the government seeks as new recruits here at home.

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Maybe someone will sit up, take notice and get mad when reports of our waterboarding 10-year-olds surface. Or - I forgot, 101 - waterboarding is a torture only for "whimps" and pussies. herm

what do you expect from nazis and war criminals

DID you dumb f*ck's even read the link. 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lbs sack,Shit all over the place.

Just keep telling them 10 year olds that freedumb isn't free.

hermaphrodite,
I'm impressed. At your age you're able to remember me, but have no idea who the people are that visit you in the nursing home. Strange. Almost as strange as your spelling of wimps.

Flatline.

"Flatline.

Posted by 101Chairborne"'

Now that you've described your "brain" waves, perhaps you'll regale us with a tale of your last bowel movement.

With GW. I guess we should stop being surprised.

Too bad Bush has sacrificed his golf game for victory over whoever. These little rascals would make good caddies.

Oh well, Uncle Dick can always use beaters when he goes hunting.

Oh wait, all his prey is tied down before he gets there...

Funny that the bogus paratrooper burbles on about "whimps." I do believe that that contribution was his. If not, some fascist clone. They're really pretty interchangeable units. Expendable in wartime. herm

DID you dumb f*ck's even read the link. 10 lbs of shit in a 5 lbs sack,Shit all over the place.
Posted by jeffh at 2008-05-15 02:29 PM

Here is the document entitled OPTIONAL PROTOCOL ON THE INVOLVEMENT OF CHILDREN IN ARMED CONFLICT

2. Furthermore, please provide detailed information as to whether the USA assumes extraterritorial jurisdiction over the war crime of conscripting or enlisting children under the age of 15 into the armed forces or using them to participate actively in hostilities. Also in relation to extraterritorial jurisdiction, please indicate whether USA courts have jurisdiction in case of forced recruitment or involvement in hostilities of a person under 18 if committed outside USA, by or against a US citizen. Please provide copies of jurisprudence, if applicable.

Answer: The U.S. war crimes statute (18 U.S.C. 2441) establishes extraterritorial jurisdiction over various war crimes if the perpetrator or the victim of the crime is a U.S. national or a member of the U.S. Armed Forces. The war crimes statute incorporates or refers to specific provisions of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, the Hague Convention IV of 1907, and the Protocol on Prohibitions or Restrictions on the Use of Mines, Booby-Traps and Other Devices (when the U.S. is a party to that Protocol). It does not, however, incorporate or refer to the Optional Protocol to the Convention on the Rights of the Child on the Involvement of Children in Armed Conflict, and does not specifically criminalize the conscription or enlistment of children under the age of 15 into the armed forces or the use of such children to participate in hostilities (nor does the Optional Protocol contain such a requirement). Similarly, the war crimes statute does not specifically address the forced recruitment or involvement in hostilities of a person under 18 outside the United States. Depending upon the circumstances, however, the manner in which children are recruited, used, or treated in hostilities could constitute prohibited conduct under the statute. A copy of the war crimes statute is included in Annex 1.

3. Please inform the Committee of any relevant developments regarding the draft Child Soldiers Prevention Act of 2007 and the draft Child Soldier Accountability Act of 2007.

Answer: The Child Soldiers Accountability Act of 2007 (S. 2135) passed the Senate on December 19, 2007. The bill is now pending in the House Judiciary Committee. The Child Soldier Prevention Act of 2007 (H.R. 2620, H.R. 3028, and S. 1175) has been introduced in both houses of Congress but has not as yet seen further congressional action.

If the ACLU wants to stick their noses in international affairs why don't they complain about the Muslim terrorists who recruited these child-soldier-martyrs in the first place. Oh right that would defeat their agenda of tearing America apart by weakening our ability to punish wrongdoers, the immoral and other miscreants.

Juveniles and former child soldiers should be treated first and foremost as candidates for rehabilitation and reintegration into society, not subjected to further victimization."

rawstory.com

Nice headline. Too bad it is a play on words. Subject to further victimization?? Does anyone think these kids are not being well treated by the US Military? That they are actually better off in thelong run? I agree with scotch. Except I would add a FU to the ACLU.

How soon one forgets how well treated and fed those in GITMO are.

America tortures children.

Is God supposed to Bless that?

Be Well.

yes, America tortures children. you braniacs have it all figured out. you see through ever trick of the mighty satan. you should run...run for your lives. i suggest mexico. hurry, before you are victimized.

to the vatican?

Oh I know we can make them ride all those unsafe amusement park rides here in the US until they tell us what we need to know!

www.drudge.com

We are such idiots.

"America tortures children.

Is God supposed to Bless that?"


Since when do we base our policy on what God would say or do? A dipshit lefty like yourself should have no problem answering this one.

Prosecute George W. Bush for war crimes before the World Court. Lock him up for the rest of his natural life.

While I cannot love what W has done to this country and world turning him over to a World Court is a horrible idea and an insane precedent for the US to take.

2500 children, 18 confirmed in military prison in iraq and 23 in gitmo.

Now that is a real terrorist for gitmo, a child.

I wonder how much torture is done to get these children to reveal Al queda plots and money figures?

American justice seen at its best!


While I cannot love what W has done to this country and world turning him over to a World Court is a horrible idea and an insane precedent for the US to take.

Posted by TaoWarrior at 2008-05-15 11:46 PM | Reply

Negatory. It would be a grand gesture to take. Think about it we demand other leaders be tried in world courts for their dastardly deeds. Why can't the only Superpower lead by example?? We expect more from other Countries than we expect from ourselves?? Not so funny dat Be.

Larry Mohr

Lock bush up in gitmo and don't allow him to have representation during his trail. Problem solved.

Since when do we base our policy on what God would say or do?

Bush does you dipshit.

Potato! Where you been?

Anyway... on topic... after this, lets stop pretending that America is the "good guy". It's not.

Yet once again your headline is BULL SHIT!!

The story is about soldiers under the age of 18.

Get a life you bleeding heart lying libs.

Under 18 = Children.

Yet once again your headline is BULL SHIT!!

The story is about soldiers under the age of 18.

Get a life you bleeding heart lying libs.

Posted by Sniper


Under 18, okay. How young is okay (in your judgment) inside a torture camp?

America tortures children.

It's called the Department of Education.

Is God supposed to Bless that?

Sorry. They don't allow prayer in school.




If the ACLU wants to stick their noses in international affairs why don't they complain about the Muslim terrorists who recruited these child-soldier-martyrs in the first place. Oh right that would defeat their agenda of tearing America apart by weakening our ability to punish wrongdoers, the immoral and other miscreants.

Posted by Gimme_a_Scotch


No, dipshit. the ACLU is an AMERICAN organization which seeks influence over AMERICA policy. I'm sure they would LOVE to have influence over Muslim terrorists, but I don't think they have that far a reach. Turn off Hannity and read a little on the types of cases the ACLU takes on, and let some facts enter your little head.

Sorry. They don't allow prayer in school.

Posted by STIRSUMUP


Look at the bright side. The little darlings can pray to their hearts' content the other 18 hours of the day.





Prayer isn't banned outright in schools. A student can say all of the prayers that they want silently. Besides aren't we supposed to pray in secret anyways??

Larry Mohr

"No, dipshit. the ACLU is an AMERICAN organization which seeks influence over AMERICA policy. I'm sure they would LOVE to have influence over Muslim terrorists, but I don't think they have that far a reach. "

Same old crap from the dr left. Keep hoping, negotiating, and praying that those wonderful peace loving people will "listen".

I rewrote the headline. I thought I'd done it already when I promoted the story to the front page. Sorry.

Mercy mission. Prevent them from blowing themselves up...

"I understand that they are under-privileged, so this is a good thing for them"

- Barbara Bush.
(Chortle)

Under 18 = Children.

Posted by Alexandrite

Armed and shooting at you at any age during a war is a soldier.

Sniper these morons don't understand the real world. these are the same idiots that got all bent out of shape yesterday when Bush said something to the effect that do you think talking to these radicals will make them see the error of their ways.

Lets appease them so they can gain a foothold again and kill more Americans and then listen to you cry babies bitch about why we didn't do anything. Then listen to you blame the government and make up bullshit conspiracy theories about how they new it was going to happen or how the government supported it. BLAH BLAH BLAH..

Sniper,

Any age? 5 year-old "soldiers" OK with you? "Any age"--that's your words. 11 or 12-year olds in Africa are forced to join militias under lethal threat to themselves and/or their families. They are a victim, not a soldier. Dumbass.

BLAH BLAH BLAH..

Posted by armyof1 at 2008-05-16 10:54 AM | Reply |

Blah blah blah indeed. You're trying to stamp out an extreme ideology with a gun, bravo and good luck in that impossible task. Your culture is so about violence that alternatives seem impossible to you...open your fucking eyes to the 21st century.

Schedule for detained children (under bush);

8, Americanism - how the constitution is for loosers,

9, Morning waterboarding wake-up

10, Dick Cheny - leading by proxie,

11, Lunch (Food recycling) - how to turn poop into food - with hand-on demonstration

12 afternoon electric testicle information extraction

1 thorizine nap-time

2 political science - how even a right wing american fart is more intelligent than anything said by anyone in any other country

3 American soldier - how not thinking makes a better army

4 Physical education by use of 220 volts

5 your future career - how to make a bomb and use it to assassinate the assassins that tried to assassinate the illegal rulers of a blind population.

6 - free time to contemplate how much you love jesus and to accept the love offering of a few stiff punches in the jaw with an american made jack-boot.



How soon one forgets how well treated and fed those in GITMO are.

Posted by crispee_oc at 2008-05-15 09:37 PM


Majid Khan, 27, a former suburban Baltimore high school student, was first seized by authorities in Pakistan, where he said he was visiting his brother. Khan then spent more than three years in a secret overseas CIA "black site" before President Bush ordered his transfer to Guantanamo along with 13 other high-value detainees. Also transferred was alleged 9/11 mastermind Khaled Sheik Mohammed, who had allegedly ordered Khan to research attacks on American water reservoirs and gas stations.

Khan's lawyers are armed with more than 500 pages of top-secret notes taken during recent sessions with their client at Guantanamo; they will use the material to describe his interrogation and detention to the Intelligence Committee. Though details are highly classified, his lawyers claim that he and others were tortured and videotaped, charges that Hayden and other CIA officials deny. On Feb. 5, Hayden admitted to Congress that the CIA had used waterboarding on Khaled Sheik Mohammed and two others. The CIA continues to assert that it does not engage in torture.


www.time.com

yeah... its like CIA summer camp!

"..Though details are highly classified, his lawyers claim that he and others were tortured and videotaped, charges that Hayden and other CIA officials deny. On Feb. 5, Hayden admitted to Congress that the CIA had used waterboarding on Khaled Sheik Mohammed and two others. The CIA continues to assert that it does not engage in torture."

www.time.com
yeah... its like CIA summer camp!
Posted by donnerboy at 2008-05-16 12:12 PM


Uh, more like a day spa with full-body wraps and waking sleep activities.

Does anyone seriously believe they "lost" their video taped interrogations? Remember - this guy was a school teacher from Baltimore?! I can only guess that the CIA take such extreme measures on innocent civilians to GENERATE ACTUAL TERRORISTS.

Another thread where democrats prove they have no brain and are stupid.

Your saying 16 and 17 year olds are "children"?

I bet I could produce a 100 teenagers in my local high school where I live that could beat the shit out of some of you, 100-0 if it was dethspud, because he is a total gook nerd.

Then we can say you got the shit beat out of you by children.

16-17 year old's are NOT children. LOL Wow, you democrats are really stretching on this one.

Wait, I know why you think they are children, because you were when you were 16-17 because you didn't get laid until you were 30 and still live with your parents.

Like Larry "Lenny" Mohr

Kuma

A majority of the suicide bombers are teenagers -- considered "children" in this article -- because they are more easily swayed to strap on a belt and blow themselves up. Also, the older men are the leaders of these Iraqi militias and they are needed alive to command the militia groups -- not blown into 500 pieces.

So, I say it's good these teenage "children" suicide bombers are being confined. No only are we saving the lives of innocent Iraqi civilians who would be killed by these kid suicide bombers -- not to mention the lives of our own military -- but we are also saving these kids' own lives by keeping them out of the hands of the Iraqi militia who would use them as cannon fodder.

Another thread where democrats prove they have no brain and are stupid.
Your saying 16 and 17 year olds are "children"?
I bet I could produce a 100 teenagers in my local high school where I live that could beat the shit out of some of you, 100-0 if it was dethspud, because he is a total gook nerd.
Then we can say you got the shit beat out of you by children.
16-17 year old's are NOT children. LOL Wow, you democrats are really stretching on this one.
Wait, I know why you think they are children, because you were when you were 16-17 because you didn't get laid until you were 30 and still live with your parents.
Like Larry "Lenny" Mohr
Kuma
Posted by Kuma at 2008-05-16 02:56 PM


I'm sure it's quite different for you in North Korea, but here in Oregon citizens 17 years of age and under cannot be tried as an adult.

Name-calling, uhm.. is not your forte.

From The TimesMay 15, 2008

Suicide bomber kills 22 mourners at Iraq funeral

In another attack bearing the hallmarks of the Sunni Arab militants, a teenage girl bomber killed an Iraqi soldier and wounded up to seven others in an explosion against an Iraqi army position south of the capital.

A US military spokesman said that the attacker appeared to be in her late teens, about 16 or 18. US and Iraqi commanders accuse al-Qaeda in Iraq of dispatching female suicide bombers because they are not searched at checkpoints, where male officers typically stand guard.

Just regular childhood mischief - come on, we all remember doing suicide bombings as teenagers!

Teen suicide bombers kill 11 in Iraq
By Alissa J. Rubin
New York Times News Service
Published: May 15, 2008
BAGHDAD -- Two suicide bombers described as teenagers carried out attacks Wednesday in suburban Baghdad, killing at least 11, as the prime minister went to the northern city of Mosul to encourage Iraqi soldiers fighting in a new offensive to rid that area of Sunni Islamic extremists.

More fun loving kids!

Teenage Bomber Strikes In Anbar
Suicide Attack Targets Meeting Of Tribal Leaders

By Amit R. Paley
Washington Post Foreign Service
Monday, January 21, 2008; A10



BAGHDAD, Jan. 20 -- A 13-year-old boy wearing an explosives-packed vest blew himself up Sunday among a group of tribal leaders in the western province of Anbar, becoming one of the youngest suicide bombers since the U.S.-led invasion, Iraqi police said.

Obviously a harmless child! Story must be fake.

16-17 year old's are NOT children. LOL Wow, you democrats are really stretching on this one...

A child is still a child even if he has become a victim of a War. And you are a fool not to see that.

We have responsibility to these children regardless of who's side they are on or how they became the victim.

WE broke it now we own it ...remember?

YOU MEMBER!


Any age? 5 year-old "soldiers" OK with you? "Any age"--that's your words. 11 or 12-year olds in Africa are forced to join militias under lethal threat to themselves and/or their families. They are a victim, not a soldier. Dumbass.

Posted by Newyawker

Speaking of dumb asses, how are you?

Are there any soldiers that we have captive that are 5 years old, dumb ass?

Like I said before, if they are shooting at you, they are enemy soldiers and should be killed. Dumbass. A bullet comming at your head dosen't care how old the trigger yanker is.

BAGHDAD, Jan. 20 -- A 13-year-old boy wearing an explosives-packed vest blew himself up Sunday among a group of tribal leaders in the western province of Anbar, becoming one of the youngest suicide bombers since the U.S.-led invasion, Iraqi police said.
Obviously a harmless child! Story must be fake.
Posted by ELCIDCE90 at 2008-05-16 04:06 PM


What kind of dedicated terrorist is a 13 year old? Forced and brainwashed, obviously.

You fucking disgust me, trash.

"What kind of dedicated terrorist is a 13 year old?"

One born since 1991.

Morans.

"What kind of dedicated terrorist is a 13 year old?"

One born since 1991.
Morans.
Posted by Zatoichi at 2008-05-16 09:28 PM


You are equating my belief that these kids are not performing of their own volition with a lack of intellectual capacity?

Some see these kids equipped to be weapons, others only see terrorists.

Perhaps I should re-phrase that, "What kind of dedication could a 13 year old have to a terrorist agenda?" As in, this is a real scenario but it's still a KID with a gun. This reminds me of using the mentally retarded as human bombs. Disgusting on every level.

If this is what it's come to, imo we are not equipped to cope with that kind of horror. Murdering a child is heinous, regardless the circumstances, and repercussions will generate severe detachment and probable suicide. I'm not justifying anything, but pointing out that it's a serious problem which has never been addressed properly.

One other point as to motive I don't think anyone has brought up and which I had read about --

A number of these young teenage suicide bombers had been told by the insurgents that the kid's entire family would be killed by Iraq and Afghanistan militia members if these kids did not give up their own life as a suicide bomber and be willing to blow up some marketplace and/or group of innocent civilians. Not because of dedication to some terrorist cause, but fearing for the lives of their parents and their family members they did as they were ordered and became suicide bombers.

Like I said, it's very likely many of these 2500 young Iraqi and Afghanistani kids are probably alive today because of the fact they are being held in protective custody by our military.

Like I said, it's very likely many of these 2500 young Iraqi and Afghanistani kids are probably alive today because of the fact they are being held in protective custody by our military.
Posted by CalifChris at 2008-05-17 02:41 AM


Maybe we simply ran out of chocolates to pass out as we commit Shock & Awe in these kids world. We are the invaders, not liberators or "freedom fighters", but oppressive, highly aggressive occupiers building a permanent military presence.

Every single aspect of the invasion strategy was WRONG. Now we are fighting their children.

I wouldn't be surprised if some pissed off soldier shoots Bush in the face (please, oh please) for the incredible atrocities his administration have committed. Either that or Cheney will, regardless if Bush is wearing the pheasant-patterned pj's he bought him last Christmas. Funny, the pj's, gun and bullets would all happen to be produced in China.

I wouldn't be surprised if some pissed off soldier shoots Bush in the face (please, oh please)

WTF is wrong with you?

RLR: I don't know man. Take a breather. Shoot the President in the face? Or as Alex just asked, WTF?

I loathe Bush at this point. But hoping/praying he'll get shot? Not a chance.

I wouldn't be surprised if some pissed off soldier shoots Bush in the face (please, oh please)
WTF is wrong with you?
Posted by Alexandrite at 2008-05-17 03:16 AM

RLR: I don't know man. Take a breather. Shoot the President in the face? Or as Alex just asked, WTF?
Posted by moder8 at 2008-05-17 03:20 AM


Heh, it was just humor - not any serious threat, regardless how deserved. Like if he were to, uhm.. experience water boarding first-hand, and then organ failure. How about just immersed in white phosphorus and dragged through Baghdad by his ankle? You know, a just deserts scenario at the hands of his own torturers and "freedom fighters"?

I'm against any death penalties, btw.

I would also remind you that Bush is not.

I just hope someday Dubya and Company face war crimes trials in The Hague and then serve out their remaining days in solitary confinement. THAT is what I hope for.

Larry Mohr

I just hope someday Dubya and Company face war crimes trials in The Hague and then serve out their remaining days in solitary confinement. THAT is what I hope for.
Larry Mohr
Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-05-17 03:41 AM


Actually, conditioning them to always be truthful, then setting them loose would be enormous fun. Their neocon and Zionist terrorist friends would scamper as far away as possible they would be in their very own phantom zone that not even Zod could fathom.


I just hope someday Dubya and Company face war crimes trials in The Hague and then serve out their remaining days in solitary confinement. THAT is what I hope for.

Larry Mohr

Posted by LarryMohr at 2008-05-17 03:41 AM | Reply | Flag:


Ditto. I want these failures to live a very long life behind bars.

Mercy mission. Prevent them from blowing themselves up...
Posted by jonryker at 2008-05-16 08:49 AM


Correct - prevention is the best, cheapest and most effective manner of nipping this in the bud.

Detention might be useful, but we've got the means to reach directly into these kids lives and make a positive change. That would diminish the control of terrorist activities as well as generate a healthier attitude towards our presence.

They need to scan people for explosives long before they can congregate. Like how airports make you remove shoes, we could simply confirm no bombs or weapons at specific checkpoints. This is a great way to encourage multiple technologies to coincide for everyone's benefit.

Unfortunately, we don't possess military intelligence worth shit. They are slow on the up-take and ignore their duties to the Iraqi until it's far too late.

New airport security scanner can see through clothes

"..Critics have said the high-resolution images created by the "backscatter" technology are too invasive. But the Transportation Security Administration adjusted the equipment to make the image look something like a line drawing, while still detecting concealed weapons."

If some 16 year is carrying a rifle and shooting at US soldiers, then that 16 year old will be detained until the conflict ends. It is that simple. If a teenage child engages in these acts then we do not have much option. I'm not saying torture or gratuitously abuse the kid. But he remains detained.
This should be a no brainer.

If some 16 year is carrying a rifle and shooting at US soldiers, then that 16 year old will be detained until the conflict ends. It is that simple. If a teenage child engages in these acts then we do not have much option. I'm not saying torture or gratuitously abuse the kid. But he remains detained.
This should be a no brainer.
Posted by moder8 at 2008-05-17 02:49 PM


Agreed. Sending them back out is possibly putting everyone at risk.

Imo, what we need are intermediaries - locals - who can handle these kids separately from adult combatants.

I don't want it to become another Israeli children's prison situation.

We've got to secure Iraq.

Sending Christian conversion squads was reckless, but not predicting that Muslim children would be the main victims is unforgivable.

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